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This News Briefs from the Daily. It talks about the Onion Field Killer, but I was more struck by record number of deportations. The Obama administration (a) isn’t messin’ around and (b) apparently decided the answer to the constant rhetorical question: “What are you doing to do, deport them all?” was “Yes, that’s exactly what we’re going to do.”
The problem with protest groups like OWS? There’s no screening. Anybody can come in, claim to be part of the “movement”, and go straight to causing mayhem.
Apparently, a lot of folks at the Occupy Wall Street protests are having their wealth redistributed for them. Smell that? Does it smell like irony?
NewsBusters say the media is not being harder on Obama than GOP candidates, but, even if so, I don’t recall this comparison being made between how the media was treating the Democratic candidates and George W. Bush in 2004. Which would be a more apples to apples comparison.
Is this the OWS folks Declaration of Independence? Thomas Jefferson might be proud (the blood of patriots and tyrants is the natural manure of the Tree of Liberty, after all) but it’s not 1776. Also, I though the grievances in 1776 were a little more concise. Might just be history bias.
If you sold your Apple Stock recently, MG Seigler says your an idiot. My dad sold $10,000 of Apple stock at $14 a share shortly before Steve Jobs came back (with my encouragement). If I’m calculating the splits right (I’m no financial expert), the two 2:1 splits means that each $14 share would be worth $1600 now. For a total of $1,143,514.00 dollars. You want to talk about being an idiot when you sold your Apple stock . . .
Most of that $10,000 went into dot.com stocks that evaporated. Yay, irrational exuberance! I invest in coffee cans now.
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ReutersDeposed Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has been captured and wounded in both legs, National Transitional Council official Abdel Majid says."He's captured. He's wounded in both legs … He's been taken away by ambulance," the senior NTC military official told Reuters by telephone.Gaddafi captured and wounded – NTC officialA senior NTC military official says Gaddafi has died of wounds suffered during reported capture.
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"A senior NTC military official says Gaddafi has died of wounds suffered during reported capture."Good golly. Is Obama going to leave any 3rd world dictators for the next president to take out? I have a sneaking sensation that, as as the left would have treated Bush's (Kennedy's) No Child Left Behind and Medicare Part F a lot differently, had they been coming from the Al Gore administration, I can't help but suspect the Obama administration would be getting a lot more and ongoing attaboys from the right, if this were the Palin administration taking out tinpot anti-American dictators and terrorists like fish in a barrel. "Well, I guess it's okay, or whatever, but he's still a socialist."
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sneaking sensation = sneaking suspicionI'm only 42. I worry about the long-term prospects for my brain.
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"can't help but suspect the Obama administration would be getting a lot more and ongoing attaboys from the right, if this were the Palin administration taking out tinpot anti-American dictators and terrorists like fish in a barrel"Let me beat Scott and QB to the punch….and I can't help but suspect that the Palin Administration would be hearing accusations of being a War Criminal from the left, if this were the Palin Administration taking out tinpot anti-American dictators and terrorists like fish in a barrel.Your redistribution of wealth link bothers me to no end.
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Kevin, from what I've read it was the rebels who took him out during a raid on his home town. I suppose you could say Obama helped open the door though. I doubt many on the right will give him credit for anything though so you're correct there.
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Yes, Virginia, the occupiers (lmsinca's kin excluded) really are dumb and igorant, at least if how they answer basic factual questions pertinent to their amorphous complaints and demands are a fair metric.
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ashot, there are so many things bothering me to no end now that I can barely get out of bed…….not really but almost. Kevin, you'll probably be okay, maybe you just need a little more sleep. I've been having trouble with names, not of friends and family but famous ones. It kind of freaks me out but it's happening to my husband as well so we're treating it like a contest.
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Re the occupiers, I also saw a post by someone who lives on WS describing how the main effect of the occupation is to hurt local small businesses and disrupt what is now mainly a residential area.What a surprise. Indolent complainers on behalf of "the people" doing them harm.
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qb, I just left plumline because during a conversation with Bernie chris interjected his two cents that all conservatives are evil or something so between the new and unimproved system over there and his assertions why bother. I can't combat your "dumb and ignorant" by always asking the obvious………..all of them? And since you don't actually know my daughter or have heard her speak or understand her opinions I don't see any reason to leave my relatives out of your assertion other than a sop to me.
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I don't think the left is entirely sanguine about Obama's military adventurism, but, yes, they would be much less happy about the same activity under President Palin. It's not just what, it's who, and it always has been. QB: such groups are self-selecting. The vast majority of people who have their shit together are not going to be participating in protests, unless they are empty-nesters and retirees. If you're a young school-age adult and you're spending your time protesting instead of studying, that suggests something about how you and your parents regard the financial and temporal investment in your education. If you've got a job and you're taking time out to protest, then . . . okay, but I think if you're a smart person whose on the ball, even if you are sympathetic with the OWS folks, you're not going to be spending time doing it yourself. You'd also have to look at the folks who camp out to protest (or, for that matter, buy an iPhone or concert tickets), as that suggests they have little real responsibility in their lives and are probably there to par-teh, and those who show up to political events and rallies, participate, and then return to their normal adult lives, which all sorts of smart folks actually do. But those folks aren't going to be there a lot for the polling.lm: "Kevin, from what I've read it was the rebels who took him out during a raid on his home town. "From the ether, both real news and my more conspiracy-minded podcast sources have suggested that we had a lot of assets on the ground, that we've supplied the rebels with hardware and ammunition and intelligence, that we've got not just troops on the ground but CIA helping figure out who and where and when. I'd be surprised if the Libyan rebels did this without significant American support. Not that it's impossible, just very coincidental that it happens shortly after it becomes an implied if not explicit goal that we want him out, and we put boots and hardware on the ground, and the rumor mill suggests a lot of CIA intelligence support. For many reasons, it's just smart to let credit and responsibility lie with the rebels, but I think our FP fingerprints are all over this.
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"is to hurt local small businesses"Apparently, they can't get to the big Wall Street bankers, so they're going to yell at the folks who sell them bagels and coffee. Good thinking!
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"Your redistribution of wealth link bothers me to no end."If you have a nice laptop, and I don't . . . is that fair? No, so, it's time for a little five-fingered wealth redistribution.
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lms,I haven't been over to PL lately, as per my last comment about the censorship there. But sounds like same old same old. I just got a new computer with new software, so I can probably navigate over there better than before, but I haven't bothered. Re the occupiers, I didn't say all the occupiers. I assume your daughter is smart and informed, as you are. Presumably, there are some others. But we haven't heard any of them. These 50 were asked some basic questions, the answers to which on the whole should have been easy for people willing and able to spend weeks camping out in the name of demanding that something be done about the topics of those questions. Their answers speak for themselves imo. I continue to be baffled by the response of the left to any attempt to describe the occupiers and their movement, which always seems to be, you can't characterize them as anything. But if you were offended that I differentiated your daughter from these dolts, I'm sorry.I just can't take seriously a bunch of people who can live in the street for weeks to demand free tuition, higher taxes, yadda yadda, who can't even be bothered to know what the tax rates are or what the government actually spends our money on. If your daughter is like these 50, then, no, I guess I wouldn't take her seriously, either. Is that better?
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"If you have a nice laptop, and I don't . . . is that fair? No, so, it's time for a little five-fingered wealth redistribution."That's a pretty simplistic, self-serving recitation of what the complaint is. It's such a condescending and arrogant concept. "These silly little hippies don't even realize what wealth redistribution is. Someone stealing their stuff will teach them a lesson. (followed by haughty laughter)
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KW: "QB: such groups are self-selecting. The vast majority of people who have their shit together are not going to be participating in protests …."You just said the same thing I did, or stated a corollary to it. You should be ashamed, attacking them this way.
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"That's a pretty simplistic, self-serving recitation of what the complaint is."On the contrary, I think it is precisely the same thing on a moral plane, and is bracingly clarifying. These people just want Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi to give them my laptop.
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I think there are a couple of things going on with the protesters.1) The "pros" — these are the types who are at every rally, have pre-printed literature, and have their talking points down. You've got the "if you build it" they will come thing happening here, in the sense that every cause is vying to get some exposure. In DC at least, from what I've seen, it's hard left, anti-capitalist stuff and the people preaching this message have been doing it well before the recession/depression/crisis. Smattering of anti-war stuff too. The crowd at freedom plaza had a life-size predator drone, which was actually pretty cool. But I haven't seen it this week, so maybe they're focusing on the economics now. 2) The "I'm mad as hell" and this is a way to channel that anger in a somewhat productive way. Or at least be heard. 3) When in doubt, party. I missed the links yesterday, but where there are girls, there will be guys. my 2 cents.
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lmsinca: " I can't combat your "dumb and ignorant" by always asking the obvious………..all of them? "I would think the answer to that would be no. I hope it's implied. ;)I'm not sure how to advocate for tempering the tendency to use absolutist terminology without pissing somebody off, but I tend to believe (could be wrong) that it works just as well to let the facts speak for themselves. Of course, when we're talking about polls, I don't think the word "facts" really belongs, but . . . The folks selected to respond to the poll clearly don't know a lot about something that they are ostensibly their to protest (but then, the folks who know most about it are probably not going to try an accomplish change by hanging out in the street holding signs that most people can't read at any distance at all—unless they're a camera with a zoom lens). The poll may be biased (and by may, I mean "is", because I believe every poll is biased), but it's coming from New York Magazine and do we really think the OWS crowd, generally, has a broad and deep Krugman-like understanding of economics? While I, personally, would not use the descriptives "dumb and ignorant", it would be a stylistic choice, as there is a great deal of evidence that a whole lot of those people don't have a very deep knowledge in the subjects about which they are protesting—economics, taxes, financial regulations, etc. I refer you to Tuesday nights John Stewart show (admittedly a place of satire and selective editing), but it seemed awfully easy to find folks who appeared to be . . . non-representative of genuine upset at current circumstances borne from knowledge and a basic understanding of the factors at play. Full disclosure: I once wrote a blog post called People are Idiots. To make a long story short, this did not communicate what I wanted it to. In regards to a specific engagement with a friend, who was incensed that I had said it. My first reaction was: well, that's unfair, he totally doesn't get it. My seventeenth reaction was finally: okay, well, I guess I could have said something else, and maybe communicated my point better. Absolutist rhetoric about people, groups, or things tends to be preaching to the choir. And I have definitely preached to the choir on many occasions. I have not changed the title although, if I did, I'd title it something else, like: "Are White People Hateful and Evil, Or Just One or the Other?" . . . or something else. But it's ironic in a post where I complained about people not thinking about what they say, especially before the pass judgement on whole classes of people, I called it, un-ironically, "People are Idiots". Sometimes I let my reptile brain do the typing, I guess.
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qbIt's the superlatives that bother me because that's one of the reasons I left the Plumline, that was my point. Generally in an occupation someone has to occupy, the rest are protesters dropping in and out as their commitments allow.I'm beginning to feel like the resident good humor girl, "let's toss lmsinca a bone to humor her".In a terrible economy the "every man for himself" dynamic takes hold and I'm trying to emphasize that there's an opposite to that some of us are trying to hang on to. The middle class has been badly beaten during this recession and while there are different ideas on how to get out of the hole, assuming most of us would perceive that as a benefit, I don't find it unreasonable in the least that young and old alike are angry and frustrated.Kevin, I'm sure you're probably correct re all the underground, down low, support we've given he rebels and maybe everyone knows about it but me. I was just making the point that the rebels will take credit.
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"You just said the same thing I did, or stated a corollary to it. You should be ashamed, attacking them this way."I probably should. Trying to find a better way to say it. Working on it! I am a deeply, deeply, deeply flawed human being. With occasional sprinkles of awesomeness. Point being, people that have adult skills, and adult education, and adult responsibilities, aren't likely to be attending amorphous, never-ending protests, even if they are sympathetic. Thus, you aren't going to get answers from camping protestors that reflect a deep and broad economic and financial education. Generally. There are going to be specific, coherent, smart people doing it, just as there are specific, smart, coherent, on-top-of-it people participating in any activity. But the door is open, there is no cover charge, so the people involved in this protest are less selective than a group of ecstasy-using 20-somethings at a midnight rave in a downtown warehouse. This is arguably true of any potential protest. You get different people at rallies, of course, because more people can participate (and showing up on time and leaving in a timely fashion requires a certain amount of organization). Then, you will get different people if they know you're trying to stick it to Wall Street than if you're saying you're getting together to wave the American flag and salute the troops and kick the corpse of communism. I recall some references to Tea Partiers not understanding that Medicare was an entitlement, telling the government to keep their damned hands off their Medicare, showing up in their Medicare or SS-Disability funded Power Scooters, yada yada. I expect you'd find the majority of people at most rallies would not do well on Jeopardy. I'm am certainly open to any polls of Tea Party protestors that suggest they know more or less than the OWS folks . . .
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"I don't find it unreasonable in the least that young and old alike are angry and frustrated."BTW, I agree with that 100%. While I don't say that in ever post, when people can't get jobs or don't know how and feel that their government is constantly wasting money on needless wars while they could be using it at home in some less destructive fashion . . . people are going to be happy. The right to free association and peaceable public assembly is right there in (amended) constitution.
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I have less of a problem with absolutist statements in this format. I don't think it's reasonable to require people to parse and modify their comments all the time or even most of the time. I do think that our posts on the main page should generally be more carefully parsed. When I read QBs posts I do my best to read it as a criticism of the thought rather than the person expressing the thought. If you do that, it doesn't matter if he exaggerates how many people share that thought, what matters is whether his criticism is accurate or fair ,(it never is), and whether I can defend the thought he is criticizing.
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"If you do that, it doesn't matter if he exaggerates how many people share that thought, what matters is whether his criticism is accurate or fair ,(it never is)"See, but that's clever. 😉 Absolutist, but it earns it. I'm sure you're right, but I like the idea of trying to become better at how I communicate and, so, like a recent non-smoker, I feel the rest of the world needs my fabulous non-smoking advice. "It'll kill ya! It's a coffin nail!" "Weren't you smoking these last month?""Coffin nails! Cancer!"
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I'm sure this won't resonate with you guys but here it is anyway just in case someone's a little more curious about what's going on.So has the agitation of Occupy Wall Street begun to change the context of our discussion. Politicians and commentators who had been silent about economic inequality and the excesses of the financial sector are finally facing up to economic injustice and the irresponsibility of the financial elites. In the meantime, Obama’s moderation has won him absolutely nothing. Having done much to save Wall Street and the banks, he receives in return only ingratitude and criticism. Bankers and financiers who needed the rest of America to bail them out now respond arrogantly when the rest of America complains about the unpaid promissory note it holds.My old friend Doug Schoen wrote in Tuesday’s Wall Street Journal about a poll of “nearly 200” Occupy Wall Street protesters in New York, concluding that they are committed to “radical left-wing policies.” I’m sure there are some radicals in the crowd, since moderates aren’t given to mass protests. But the dissatisfaction with the privileged that the demonstrators are expressing extends far beyond the left, and majorities share Occupy Wall Street’s inclinations on many issues, including the need for the wealthy to pay more in taxes.
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"I'm sure you're right, but I like the idea of trying to become better at how I communicate and"I totally agree… 100%…always…until the end of time…the fewer absolutist statements the better.In all seriousness, I try to avoid absolutist statements and I think most of us around her do, too. My point was merely that I'm not going to focus on that when someone fails to do so. And I was obviously kidding about QB never being accurate of fair.
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Look, let me just put this out there. During the tea party protests I just never assumed the entire group showed up wearing flag shirts, tea bag draped cowboy hats or carrying racist signs. I tried to understand the principles that the ones who were trying to express their frustration were arguing. I never said, well they're all simple-minded old people except McWing. I assumed that there was a point to what they were doing, whether I agreed with it or not. If McWing were here I think he'd vouch for that.Obviously there are dolts in the group, and I can make as much fun of them as the next guy, but I think it demeans the conversation if we or you don't take it seriously on some level. Scott and I plus Kevin had a really long discussion in a previous thread that ended up nowhere really except I understand them both a little more. Scott and I are polar opposites and I don't think much of his ideology, in truth I think he's a little radical, but I respect his right to it and I can't argue against it unless I know what the hell he's actually saying.There, I said my piece, now back to our regular programming and me working.
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I would think the answer to that would be no. I hope it's implied. 😉Nope, it's not implied.These people just want Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi to give them my laptop.
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Well, not his laptop, but a laptop. My thought went to student loan debt forgiveness. But I'm guilty of what you're saying. I've definitely caught myself projecting my own prejudices onto the protesters. "They're all reds who are going to give my family the Nicholas II treatment!!" because we're all DC types or something.
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lmsinca: "Nope, it's not implied."Well, I can't speak for everybody. But even when I say "everybody" I don't *really* mean everybody. I mean, there are always outliers. And drawing too many conclusions is dangerous. Let's say a bunch of uninformed people come together and protest X. The correctness or value of X exist independently of the quality of the people protesting or supporting X. "in truth I think he's [Scott] a little radical"He appears to arrive there with a merciless Socratic rationality, so if it is radicalism, it is a radicalism well-earned. "Obviously there are dolts in the group,"Of course there are. There's no way to qualify participants, there's nothing to prevent people who hate OWS and everything it stands for from joining it and acting horribly. There's nothing to prevent rabble rousers and trouble makers with no ideological axe to grind from joining to "have a good time" and "bust some sh*t up". At least if you're a Republican or Democrat, officially, you have to register. Fill out a little paperwork. Get a voter registration card. For things like this, people just show up, and it has no bearing on the nature of the general complaint. As I noted before, to be a little Scottish (heh), if the values being supported are A,B, and C and the values being protested are X,Y, and Z, these values exist independently of the quality of people attempting to critique, discuss, or describe them.The idea of economic injustice exists independently of a heavily tattooed guy who is clearly stoned telling us we need to fight the man. That person may disqualify himself as a participant in the discussion deserving of extended consideration, but that has no bearing on the idea of economic injustice, which exists independently and can be discussed independently. Specific ideas of remediation (such as wealth redistribution) exist independently of their advocates. Clearly, there are going to people concerned about economic injustice who aren't economically and mathematically illiterate in addition to being profoundly stoned.
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"These people just want Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi to give them my laptop."Well, hell. It doesn't have to be them. But I want someone to give me a laptop. And not a crappy one, either.
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lms (from your link):Bankers and financiers who needed the rest of America to bail them out now respond arrogantly when the rest of America complains about the unpaid promissory note it holds.What is he talking about? Out of the top 18 recipients of TARP money, all but 3 have paid it all back with interest. And of those three, only 1 is a bank (Citi…the others are AIG and General Motors including GMAC Financial). The fact that the complaints of "the rest of America" are founded on this kind of mythology might have a little something to do with the perceived arrogance.
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Sorry, there is one more that has yet to repay….that renowned high flyer of Wall Street, Regions Financial Corp.
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Sure NoVA we all do that to some extent. I'm just saying I thought we were trying to do something different here. But then again maybe I'm just being too defensive myself………who knows? But I'm not just going to sit back and pretend qb or anyone else means something other than what they said. He's entitled to his opinion but I'm entitled to tell him what I think of it and the way he expressed it.
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scottBut some of the American people know it's more than just paying back TARP. The banks are even bigger now and the slogan about saving Wall Street to save Main Street didn't happen, did it? The issues are larger than paying back TARP. Whether EJ gets that I have no idea and I'm sure some of the protesters don't either, who can blame them, there's not been a lot of transparency in any of it. Some percentage of our citizenry is pissed off and you can say they're wrong about the details but I doubt that will convince them they're wrong about the results. That's the point. And yes, if you listen to them, they blame the government as well.
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ScottC:GMAC Financial = Ally Financial now? The bank part is a separate entity?Not being snarky — I really have very little idea of how all that "bank holding company" stuff works.
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I give up, I really do need to get to work. I'll be gone the rest of the day so don't think I'm leaving for good or anything in a huff. That's not my style.
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lsminca- I hope you don't see my comments as a criticism of your disagreements with QB and Kevin. I agree that the equivalent would be to say the Tea Party was a bunch of old people on Medicare holding up signs saying keep the government out of health care.
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NoVa- Just got an alert from Modern Healthcare that the Final ACO regulations are out. Can't find them anywhere, though. Do you have a link?
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here you go. hit the fed reg at 11:15http://www.ofr.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2011-27461_PI.pdf
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Thanks…and only 696 pages!
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lms:The banks are even bigger now and the slogan about saving Wall Street to save Main Street didn't happen, did it?This dichotomy between WS and MS is a false one, but even assuming it represents something real, do you seriously believe that the economy would be doing better, or even the same, if there was a huge number of bank failures in the fall of 2008? Unless you do, then the answer to your question is yes, it did.But even if we assume that the bank bailout did absolutely nothing to mitigate damage to "Main Street", it is still utterly false to claim that it got nothing from the government. "Main Street" is always getting something from the government. Just to take one example, do you have any idea how much federal aid is doled out to college students alone every year? In 2009 the number was $140 billion. By 2012 it is estimated it will have grown to over $180 billion. That is one, single, solitary government aid program aimed at "Main Street". Let's look at the budget for a few other "Main Street" spending programs for 2012:Social Security: $761 billionMedicare: $468 billionMedicaid: $269 billionUnemployment and welfare benefits: $598 billionShall I go on? And these aren't one-off "bailouts". These are annual budget items, paid out every single year. The time has come to put an end to this very destructive myth that "Main Street" got nothing while Wall Street got bailed out. The vast majority of the federal budget every year is a Main Street "bailout".
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ash — but wait, there's more. here's the OIG piece. http://www.ofr.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2011-27460_PI.pdf
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Mike:Yes, you are correct. After TARP, GMAC became Ally, and is now only partly owned by GM, mostly by the government. The point was that this is hardly the kind of institution representative of the Wall Street currently being demonized.
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I'll be happy to consider evidence that occupiers on the whole are intelligent and informed people who have a clue about what they are talking about. So far, I have not seen any of that. I've seen and heard and read a lot of what they have to say, and this New York Magazine sampling of 50 is typical. They are in the streets, on the web, and on camera making declarations and demands about taxes, free (to them) education, cutting military spending, regulating banks harder, etc., and yet by all the evidence available few of them have any idea of even the basic facts about these matters. They are poorly informed and don't seem particularly bright. Is that better? lms said, quoting Kevin and then me:"I would think the answer to that would be no. I hope it's implied. ;)Nope, it's not implied.These people just want Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi to give them my laptop."Here was ashot's original comment to which mine was addressed:"That's a pretty simplistic, self-serving recitation of what the complaint is. It's such a condescending and arrogant concept. "These silly little hippies don't even realize what wealth redistribution is. Someone stealing their stuff will teach them a lesson. (followed by haughty laughter)Generalization without specifying "some but not all" apparently is cool depending on who does it or whether it is favorable or unfavorable to OWS. Hey, I get it. People are sensitive about things in which they have some personal investment. But from now on I'll try hard always to say "Some but by no means all …" so there won't be any mistake. I'm sorry that I instead put this in terms of a personal "sop" and won't do that again.It seems popular to say, well, no matter how silly or uninformed (some but by no means all of) these protesters are, or even how destructive, what their complaints are valid because they are angry and frustrated. This is meaningless enabling rhetoric in my opinion. But, okay, let's play that game. I am angry and frustrated, too. Part of what I am angry and frustrated about is a bunch of people — some but not all — in the streets who have bogus grievances and want a free lunch, who are grossly uninformed and apparently in many cases have little responsibility even for themselves. And I am angry and frustrated that these people — some but not all — who want my taxes raised, the economy to be further stifled under regulations and distorting taxes and spending these peopled don't even understand, to pay for freebies for themselves, are coddled and encouraged by a media and political culture that is bent on dragging this country further down the road to serfdom. Since I'm angry and frustrated, it appears that my views are valid.
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Missed the first para of my comment:First, ignorant and dumb aren't superlatives. They are blunt but entirely fair descriptions of the level of intelligence and knowledge represented in that sampling.
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Not all of them, as clearly a small percentage of them actually had the correct answer. Some of them probably have the correct answer for almost all the questions.
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Some of the tiny percentage. I don't want to suggest that a large number of them knew what they were talking about. 😉
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Qb- I'm confused as to where I generalized that attitude to anyone but Kevin. My comment was below his quote. Anyway, I ran across this from what appears to be a conservative site acknowledging at least one intelligent OWS protestor: http://delegatedsovereignty.com/content.php?119-An-intelligent-OWS-protester-Say-it-ain-t-so!
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For those of us not named NoVA or ashot and don't feel the need to read through 696 pages of ACO regs, here's an item from Don Berwick, CMS administrator.Berwick on ACOThere's a handy slide embedded in the item comparing the proposed rule with the final rule.Scott:I got your point. I think my problem is still a very incomplete understanding of how these large financial institutions work.
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ashot,I read your comment as making an equivalent but inverse generalization: you referred to "the complaint" and KW's or someone's characterization of it as condescending, and implied that all of "these hippies" understand the consequences of their redistribution demands. I had no problem with its being a generalization about the protesters, and maybe it wasn't, in your mind, but it did read as one to me.
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Mike: I think my problem is still a very incomplete understanding of how these large financial institutions work. Or fail to work, as the case may be. 😉
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