Open Thread Friday

Not to beat a dead horse from yesterday and again today, but here are a few pics from the “We are the 99%” OWS “radicals”, not from the protest signs, but the messages they really want heard. I’m enjoying watching people, especially young ones, finally get up and express their fears, anger and solidarity with one another in an attempt to change their future. I’m an old softie, I admit it, so I found some of these messages of personal misfortune very poignant.


I missed this from earlier in the week.

Tens of millions of U.S. citizens remain burdened with mortgages they can no longer afford, in addition to soaring credit card bills and sky high student loans.

Trillions of dollars in outstanding consumer debt is stifling demand for goods and services and that’s one reason economists say cash-rich U.S. companies are reluctant to hire and unemployment remains stubbornly high.

In an August appearance on CNBC, Roach said debt forgiveness would help consumers get through “the pain of deleveraging sooner rather than later.” But it’s not just the liberal economists and doom-and-gloom financial analysts calling for a great haircut.

Even some institutional investors, who might suffer some of the impact of debt reductions on their portfolios, are seeing a need for a creative solution to the mess.

“If there is something constructive that can be done it should be,” said Ash Williams, executive director of the Florida State Board of Administration, which oversees $145 billion in public investments and pension money.

“You don’t want to reward bad behavior and you don’t want to reward people who were irresponsible.

But if there is a way to do well by doing good, then let’s take a look at it.” To be sure, consumer debt levels have been coming down since the crisis began.


Here are a couple of interesting reads from Tom Engelhardt and Andy Kroll over at TomDispatch (just one of those financially esoteric economic blogs I enjoy reading).

Tom on the protesters:

It’s true, as many have pointed out, that they don’t have a list of well thought out demands, but the demand to have such a list is just their elders trying to bring them to heel. The fact is, they don’t have to know just what they’re doing, any more than a writer or filmmaker has to understand the book being written or the film shot. It’s not a necessity. It’s not the price of admission. If there’s one thing that’s obvious and heartening, as my friend, the novelist Beverly Gologorsky, said to me while we oldsters circumnavigated the park, “The overwhelming feeling I have is that no one here is planning to go home any time soon.”

Andy on the Lost Decade:

Food pantries picked over. Incomes drying up. Shelters bursting with the homeless. Job seekers spilling out the doors of employment centers. College grads moving back in with their parents. The angry and disillusioned filling the streets.

Pan your camera from one coast to the other, from city to suburb to farm and back again, and you’ll witness scenes like these. They are the legacy of the Great Recession, the Lesser Depression, or whatever you choose to call it.

In recent months, a blizzard of new data, the hardest of hard numbers, has laid bare the dilapidated condition of the American economy, and particularly of the once-mighty American middle class. Each report sparks a flurry of news stories and pundit chatter, but never much reflection on what it all means now that we have just enough distance to look back on the first decade of the twenty-first century and see how Americans fared in that turbulent period.

And yet the verdict couldn’t be more clear-cut. For the American middle class, long the pride of this country and the envy of the world, the past 10 years were a bust. A washout. A decade from hell.


A note from me:

I’m apologizing in advance for only really caring about health care and the economy. I’m an old political activist who cut her teeth in the 60’s and while I care about and participate in politics, I am very cynical regarding the political landscape and so I tend to keep my posts focused on areas of my greatest concern. I did notice though that Obama seems to be channeling Harry Truman lately.

Also, if you make me laugh you’ll get a big virtual hug. Haaaaaahaaaaaaa

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  1. OT, to the extent that there can be an OT in an open thread:Steve Pearlstein's proposal to merge the ACA/Obamacare with Paul Ryan's proposals for Medicare (i.e. vouchers) to turn them both into Wyden-Bennett. http://www.washingtonpost.com/mix-obamacare-and-paul-ryans-plan-to-get-a-better-safety-net-for-americans/2011/09/26/gIQAvDN8CL_story.htmlThe other interesting item is the retirement plan proposal to combine the equivalent of a 401K and life insurance to reproduce an individual defined benefit plan.

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  2. Apparently I need to learn how to format a link properly.

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  3. Hi jncCheck out the FAQ sheet michigoose and a few others created at the top for that. I'm going to go read your link though, I generally like Pearlstein, so I'll give it a fair hearing.

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  4. Semi-related to the debt forgiveness blurb, an interview of WJC on how to fix the economy:Clinton's fixeslms:To make you smile, here's what happens when a cancer researcher tries to do stand-up comedy on national TV:Joe Wong on Letterman

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  5. Thanks Mike, I loved the bumper sticker joke. Do you think he's really that awkward or is it part of the act? When our oldest daughter used to live at home and my husband drove her car he was always embarrassed by the "Righteous Babes" sticker, lol.jncI like Pearlstein's ideas on the face of them I think, but it's hard to support anything anymore without looking at numbers and unintended consequences. There are some good ideas out there but most of them appear to be politically unfeasible.

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