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yellojktWe could have some fun with this today. Oct. 15th. is the day OWS, or versions of it, goes global so it’s high time we advertise and capitalize it. I love the stock quotes in there.
A few comments from “hedge fund” and “bankster” types:
Citi’s CEO Vikram Pandit said at a breakfast meeting on Wednesday that he’d be happy to meet with protesters, and he added that their sentiments were “completely understandable,” according to reports by Bloomberg and Fortune magazine.
“Trust has been broken between financial institutions and the citizens of the U.S., and that is Wall Street’s job to reach out to Main Street and rebuild that trust,” Pandit said.
What better way to do it than a corporate sponsorship? Doesn’t “Occupy Wall Street By Citigroup” sound more friendly? And wouldn’t America make a faster comeback if corporations would simply pay people to protest against them?
Bill Gross, co-founder of PIMCO, one of the world’s largest investment firms, put his jingle on Twitter on Tuesday: “Class warfare by the 99%? Of course, they’re fighting back after 30 years of being shot at.”
Bank of America /quotes/zigman/190927/quotes/nls/bac BAC -0.48% : “If you like anarchy and chaos, you’ll love the court filings in our foreclosure cases.”
Samuel Adams /quotes/zigman/131652/quotes/nls/sam SAM +2.02% : “Boston beer: Never as harsh as Boston police.”
Netflix /quotes/zigman/87598/quotes/nls/nflx NFLX -0.83% : “We stopped saying ‘Qwikster.’ You stop should stop staying ‘Bankster.’”
United Airlines /quotes/zigman/617037/quotes/nls/ual UAL -0.72% : “We love people with too much baggage.”
General Electric /quotes/zigman/227468/quotes/nls/ge GE +2.34% : “Thanks for paying your taxes so we don’t have to.”
BP /quotes/zigman/247026/quotes/nls/bp BP +2.92% : “Why does there always have to be this Gulf between us?”
Dr. Pepper /quotes/zigman/507521/quotes/nls/dps DPS +0.25% : “Be a Pepper. Don’t be pepper sprayed.”
Blackberry /quotes/zigman/18534/quotes/nls/rimm RIMM +1.52% : “Could you please try texting whatever it is that you’re so mad about, again.”
Sotheby’s /quotes/zigman/241211/quotes/nls/bid BID +0.70% : “Next time you unwashed hippie activists go barging into to one of our fine auctions, buy something.”
Filed under: OWS, stock market | Tagged: Bill Gross, Vikram Pandit |
All Things in Moderation 
I still like Krugman's Army
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lol, How about Beck's University: borrow a chalkboard, you can erase the words you never learned to spell
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Hah!Ok, what about, Because he was trying to change the Reagan Administration and Enron from the inside!
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qb: Grow up and read "The Little Red Hen"
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Limbaugh: Obama's more conservative than Romney……………just kidding
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BofA: Don't call us liars just because we sold you a liar loan
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3M: When it's time to stick it to the Man (marketing campaign for Post-It Notes, official human graffiti medium of OWS)
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Dawn Dishwashing Liquid: Bubbles are for oil drenched birds not real estateThe FED: Save the banks not the whales
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Lms is on a roll.
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The small business owner in me is coming out. :>)
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Starbucks: Coffee's on the house, but the latte will cost ya
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I'm done now, but I saved the best for last.Miracle Grow: Get off my lawn!!!!!!
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One more but it's not from me:Anita Perry said today that she could sympathize with unemployed people because her son Griffin had to resign his job at a bank in order to campaign for his father, Texas Gov. Rick Perry.Mrs. Perry’s words came in response to David Von Schmittou, 45, who said he had lost a high-paying job during the recession and now worked odd jobs as a handyman to make ends meet.“I’m just sympathizing. Let me tell you. Our son has resigned his job because of the federal regulations Washington has put on us,” she said. “He resigned his job two weeks ago. Because he can’t go out and campaign for his father because of SEC regulations. He’s got a wife; he’s got a job. He’s trying to start up a business. So I empathize with you."lol
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Here's a nifty image for ya Lms.
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That link's broken McWing, but you know me, I'll go and check it out when you fix it. I'm sure it'll change my mind about something or other, lol.
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Lms, the link works for me, but I'll cut and paste the URL for you.http://www.exurbanleague.com/Home/tabid/40/EntryId/1345/The-One-Percent.aspx
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OWS: 99 & 44/100% free of Ivory Soap.
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Irish Spring: Can also be used for Arab SpringHi tao, how's it going?McWing, I don't know why but that link isn't working for me, my mojo is strong.
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All y'all are missing the real drama today: Michigan-Michigan State tied at 7 at the half.Go State!!!!
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Just under 5:00 left in the 3rd quarter and MSU is up 14 – 7. MSU's defense is rocking.Go Green, Go White!!
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End of the 3rd. MSU up 21 -7.Woohoo!!!
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Four in a row! MSU 28 UM 14.Woooooooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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Good game michi.
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Try this link lms.
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True that, McWing. I don't think Dems are exactly dialed in to the protesters.
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Troll: (1) He admits it (2) For me, the ad across the top was for tickets to next week's MSU/Indiana game. Too funny!! (thanks, lms!)How's your weekend going, Marine?
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Did Kevin put up that "Total Pageviews" graphic over there on the right? Pretty darn impressive, I think,for little ol' us!
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Huh. this one's for you, lms. I didn't know the military was getting involved in OWS now.
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Went and saw The Thing. For Troll, Scott, and other fans of the "originals," ignore the idiot critics. It's good and well worth it. Should have been longer.On another score, I have a practical question for the financial wizzes. What do you think are the best websites (or who are the best analysis and commentators) for market trends and advice for middle class peons like us?
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*waving*Hi, qb! Looks like OSU is going to do you proud today.
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Mich:Did Kevin put up that "Total Pageviews" graphic over there on the right?I feel like Rodney Dangerfield around here.It'll be more impressive if we start getting hits from people other than contributers.
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Michi,Congrats to Sparty. I kinda dig those uni's, although I'm a big traditionalist (shock!).The OSU game is bizarro as usual. Winning with one pass completion (for an easy td.) Illinois is sort of a clusterfail.
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qb:What do you think are the best websites (or who are the best analysis and commentators) for market trends and advice for middle class peons like us?I have to confess that I don't read a lot of non-professional financial analysis. There is probably some good stuff, but I get more than I can (or want to) read on a professional level. Literally dozens of e-mails every day. I probably read 25% of it. When I go to the internet it is to get away from it…for politics and sports. No financial stuff.
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Tweren't me, I suspect it was Scott. We're doIng fine, patience, grasshopper.
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I recording Sparty versus weasels to watch later.
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recorded, duh
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Hard for me to get too excited this year about college football. My three teams, Boston College, Syracuse, and Notre Dame, all blow.Can't wait for hoops season.
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Scott–my profound apologies. Should I just call you Roddy from now on??:->
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Scott,We'll just have to count on you to spill the professional beans.
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qb: "weasels"Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa to quote lms!
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That's we call 'em where I come from. ; )
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Mich…No worries. I noticed it while I was rummaging around in the settings, and thought it would be a cool addition. This one is an automatic Blogger tool, but there are better hit-counters that provide a lot more info…where the hits are coming from, how long they stay on the site, historical stats to chart growth in hits per week/month/year, that kind of thing. I was thinking about throwing one of those in here too.
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qb:The standard joke in my office is what a great contra-indicator I am. Whatever I say, do the opposite. Which, if you think about it, it just as good as being right all the time.
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qb: having grown up in a Weasel household (literally everyone in my family since we came to the US went to UM before I broke the mold) this is the only game where I cheer against UM.Which makes this just that much sweeter. . .
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ScottC . . . full transparency. Some blogs have counters but don't really fully display all their stats. I like it. The most transparent, administrator-laden blog evah!
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Roddy: I had seen it in the settings, too, but hadn't thought to bring it out here. Might be interesting to use one of the other ones to see if we're getting hits (but not comments) from folks outside the group. Are they easy to link to?
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Yeah…I've set one up before. I will try to add one later tonight. Now, it is off to a dinner party. Later all.
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You're sounding like the 1% Roddy. . . 🙂 Have a good evening!
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Hoo hoo! Dinner party, eh? Must be nice to be one of "the elite"!:) Have a good time!
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qbYou could probably just go to cnbc everyday and figure out most of what's happening in the markets. And now we have Brent (sold2u) so you don't even need to do that. I'd suggest NakedCapitalism, but doubt you'd go there, too liberal. They link to so much stuff everyday that I can't even keep up with it. Some of it's really interesting though and I like following all the links to see where they lead. CreditWritedowns is another great site but I'm sure it's too radical……….lolYeah, you should probably just ask Brent on Monday for his recommendations.
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I still just love your new avatar, lms. . .
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michi, the avatar has the added advantage of making qb jealous, so I probably can't give it up yet. I might let him borrow it………for a fee of course, I mean you know, a girls gotta be able to buy a new pair of shoes now and then.
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Kevin, we have dinner parties here all the time too, but we call them sit-ins.
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Haahaahahahahahahaaaaaaaahaaaaaahahaaaaaaahaaahahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa!Now I will find myself a slacker hippie. lol
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Dangit, didn't work.Now…?
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; )
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lms, Thanks for the input. I really was just asking who people think spots the market trends and tells you which one going to tank next, ideology aside. Rather more interested in who gets the markets right for a living.
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"Rather more interested in who gets the markets right for a living."Greenspan? lolYou'd have to be intimately familiar with the book to be able to read that title so your avatar may be lost on liberals.
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QB, I saw The Thing yesterday. I thought it was so-so, I got a little bored, and my wife hated it. We both like the '82 version a lot, and the new one just didn't resonate, tension / paranoia wise like the first one did.Hi Michi! Busy Saturday with chores and bike ride. So, you're rooting for the Rangers, right? 😉
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This type of thing will really hurt popular perception of OWS.. It seems like such a no-brainier to not do this kind of thing.
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Troll,I thought it was way better than so-so. They were at an inherent disadvantage in doing a prequel to 82, since at the time that movie was something new and different. By trying to stay true to the aesthetic and mood, I don't think they could make it have the same impact.Also, there's no replacing Kurt Russel/McCready. I did think they should have made Kate a little more animated and intense, although I did like her character. I'm glad they didn't try to make her like Ripley or sarah Connor. But they should have made the middle part longer and more intense imo. People get killed to quickly if you know what I mean.At least it killed Super 8 and Cowboys and Aliens imo.
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They also needed to do more with Joel Edgerton's character. Lots of intense action with him and Kate.
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QB, yeah, not enough sustained intensity in the middle part was ultimately the problem. Plus, my loyalty to Kurt is coloring my perception. The left the door open for a sequel though.
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They did leave it open. Could be a chance to up the game.Kurt Russel rules. Sort of like remaking the Godfather without Pacino (well, not really but sorta).
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That would be sacrilege!
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Go Tigers, 2 zip. Yes, McWing that does hurt but then I'm not in favor of flag clothing either. I don't mind hats and pins for some reason, but when I see husband and wife dressed in matching flag shirts it sets my teeth on edge. Not to compare it to walking on a flag though. The protesters in Rome embarrassed the movement even worse, breaking windows etc., I hate that. Luckily, they're in Rome, Italy and not Rome, Georgia.We're getting close to Veterans Day, should I do another page from my Dad's diary? I have one in mind where he talks about looking back at the group before him and how many planes were lost, "not good" he says.
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Also, sounds like I need to drag hubby off to the movies tomorrow, if I can separate him from the teevee that is.
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Lms,Agreed on the flag/shirts thing. I'm startled at how obviously bad the optics are vis-a-vis the flag on the ground.By all means, another diary entry would be great.Rangers up by 1 right now in the bottom of the 3rd.
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It's football season, lms, let him have his TV (spoken as a football junkie and assuming that's what hubby is watching). Troll, nobody EVER should step on a flag. . . one of my railings that finally got noticed was the humungo flag that they used to unveil at pregame shows here–the cheerleaders unrolled it and HELD IT ON THE GROUND while the band played the national anthem. They did if for a couple of seasons while I and others just went crazy every time; I don't know what finally got through but they haven't for some time now. That and flag clothing (as lms said) are two things that drive me insane.Go Tigers!! I was chatting last night with the sushi chef at the restaurant that I go to on Friday nights, and he pointed out that the last time the Tigers won the WS they did it by beating the Yankees early on. Hmmmmmmmm.
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Yeah, just saw that re the game. Have you seen some of the pics they're showing though of OWS global/national, a lot of peaceful protesters out, and contrary to popular opinion they're not all free loading farm animals.I think the simplistic hippie slamming may backfire. We'll see, but people are unhappy and it's not just a bunch of unfocused spoiled kids, and I think it might be growing. It's energizing being part of something like this, my oldest daughter's at Occupy LA today and she's pretty jazzed based on her texts. She's not a lazy free loader looking for a hand out and most of the people she's meeting aren't either.6 to 2, dangit.
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Oh, and lms, another of your Dad's diary entries would be awesome! What do you think, Troll, should we do a whole Veteran's Day set of postings? I know that you and I are vets, and I think that Mark is, also. Earl is if we can get him to write something up, and there might be others. Maybe NoVA could do something about his grandad (?) in the Marines in the 40s/50s.
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Michi, I think that's a great idea!7-2, still bottom of the 3rd. Worst inning I've seen all year. And it just got worse. Now 9-2.
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Good idea you guys re Veteran's Day. My hubby's a Vietnam vet and his best friend took a land mine for the team, and actually made it home. And yeah michi, Sunday=football. 9-2
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lms,You pretty much know what I think of OWS on the whole. But I think you (collectively) are going to have a problem on your side claiming that it all means something when your side denies that the protesters stand for anything in particular. If it's just a collection of people united by nothing except that they are all protesting something, it's meaningless.There is so much evidence out there of the domination of OWS by not-very-bright slackers demanding free stuff that it is very hard to say these folks don't define the movement, regardless of other people joining in.I guess it's a protest about nothing.
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Boo, Rangers!!!Troll, looks like you and I have our assignments for 11/11–have we missed anybody? Somebody (Scott/Roddy?) did the clean-up I was thinking about on our contributors' list, so should I let Earl/cef know on the PL that we're doing the Veterans' Day stories? I'd like to hear his side of things and maybe lms's hubby could do a guest appearance. I don't think we've got any younger vets, but I'd love to hear from somebody who's been in Afghanistan/Iraq if we can reel them in. lms, does your daughter know anybody who's been there?
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It's not about nothing qb. It's about the economy and the fact that it's working for Wall Street but not for Main Street. The fact is that these kids and their friends, their brothers and sisters, even their parents, have grown tired of being on the short end of the stick. You say they're not very bright slackers, demanding free stuff which is just silly, all they want is opportunity. You can't hold people back for three years with high unemployment and crappy jobs, when they're lucky enough to get one, and blame it all on them, it doesn't work that way. They want the same opportunity you had when hard work, education and desire actually meant something in this country. The 90% of the population whose median income equals $31K aren't all slackers, but you guys keep pretending you've got your finger on their pulse, it will just make it easier to prove you wrong in the long run.If the political class in this country on the right listened to the Tea Party, and I freely admit they did, don't you think they'll listen to global unrest? I do, and whoever captures some of this energy will be the winner. But go ahead and keep depicting them as a bunch of dirty, lazy, good for nothing kids if you want. Eventually, no one will believe you anymore.
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michi, I'll check with the girls. The youngest had a good high school friend that went to West Point and flew helicopters in Iraq and we have friends whose son is a helicopter mechanic and did several tours in Afghanistan. I'm not sure where he is now but I'll check. And our oldest had several vets in her classes and may have kept in touch with a few, we'll see. I think it's a great idea though.
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I'm pretty sure this can't get any worse for the Tigers.
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You say they're not very bright slackers, demanding free stuff which is just silly, all they want is opportunity. You can't hold people back for three years with high unemployment and crappy jobs, when they're lucky enough to get one, and blame it all on them, it doesn't work that way. They want the same opportunity you had when hard work, education and desire actually meant something in this country. The 90% of the population whose median income equals $31K aren't all slackers, but you guys keep pretending you've got your finger on their pulse, it will just make it easier to prove you wrong in the long run.I have to back lms up 100% with this one from what I've seen here in Utah. When you get protesters in the streets here in SLC with the same demands that are being made in New York, Seattle and Washington, D.C., you've got something that reaches WAY beyond slacker-dom. There are fundamental problems in the US that the government is going to have to address.
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The Texas fans will be happy and as someone who watched them beat the Angels so many times this year, I guess they deserve it. Plus you gotta love Mike Napoli.
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Troll: 10 – 4 Rangers in the sixth. Urp.
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Nine runs in one inning. . . it's going to take a miracle and I don't think it's happening tonight.Bleh.
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Ok, it just got worse. 11-4 bottom of the 6th.
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michi, the conservative reaction and attempts to classify this movement as a bunch of moochers in true Ayn Rand and Little Red Hen style, tells you everything you need to know about them being out of sync with middle class America. I also think if Dems want to co-opt this movement they're going to have to earn it which could get pretty interesting over the next year.I'm putting up my Liz Warren post manana.
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12 – 4 at the end of the sixth. I shouldn't have tuned in. . .
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Okee dokee, lms. I've got your six on the Liz post!
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See y'all tomorrow.
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Gnight.
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Back for a quick one. Check this out Mc Wing.Karl Denninger was one of the founders of the Tea Party back just a few years ago when some concerned conservatives wanted to fire back at the government for what they said was unjust practices.“The problem with protests and the political process is that it is very easy, no matter how big the protests is, for the politicians to simply wait for the people to go home,” says Denninger. “Then they can ignore you.”With the problems posing Americans as big as they are though, said Denninger, it makes sense that so many citizens are joining the movement. Denninger acknowledged that much of America has lost jobs and homes and seen the stock market crash twice in only a matter of years. “People are saying, ‘You know what? I know I’ve gotten screwed by all of this but I don’t know how I got screwed. I just know that it happened. And it all came from New York and Washington DC.”Denninger added that demonstrators with Occupy Wall Street and the offshoots across the world shouldn’t just abandon their goals. “Stay on message, which is that the corruption is not a singular event,” he said. “You can’t focus in one place. You have to get the money out of politics, which is very difficult to do, but at the same time you can’t silence people’s voice.”
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Goodnight you guys.
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Lm, they aren't out of synch with at least 45% of middle class America. That being said, hippie slamming is definitely to simplistic, though much fun. 😉
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Kevin,Breitbart's got OWS organizing e-mails. Lee Stranahan also has background.Not pretty. And most definitely not the 99%.Drudge probably next outlet for this stuff.http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/10/14/crowdsource-this-social-list-emails-expose-occupywallstreet-conspiracy-to-destablize-global-markets-governments/
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Lms, they have to primary incumbents and withhold money from their party. Its the only thing that works. As far as money and politics, when the government spends trillions and regulates industries that effect trillions more in commerce, the money isn't going to come out of it. There is only one way to reduce the influence of money in politics.
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Oh yay, drudge. I read it tao, anyone who takes Breitbart or Stranahan seriously is in over their head in conspiracies. Just my opinion, but these guys are not investigative journalists. Remember the climate change emails…….can't wait to see more in the morning. Emails show they don't seem too happy with either party do they? A lot of us have been saying that both parties have been captured by big business………..glad the kids figured it out.
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I don't know lms.Lisa Fithian is one nasty, violent anarcho."Chaos" / "Vanguards" / "Phases"?What's that sound like?The kids in the extant vids all over Memeorandum haven't figured out what planet they're on yet.& Remember, I've been barking for "let them fail" and censure, sanction or arrests (From Mozilo thru to Barney & Dodd) for 2 years.
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In all fairness, OWS is a big tent phenomenon. There are going to be whackjobs. I am still not convinced the Tea Parties were cooked up by the Koch Bros and organized by the GOP, and I expect there is a lot organic in OWS. That being said, Breitbart and Stranahan are doing something a big chunk of the mainstream media will not do, investigative journalists or not. Which is entertain the possibility that something is rotten in the state of Denmark, and it's not all youthful idealists. While not prone to agree with their conclusions (we are not supposed to think that without a well-funded, highly orchestrated conspiracy, groups of people would never get together and protests the oligopolies and kleptocracy, are we?) I think their take is an important part of the broad spectrum of ideas and analysis available.As far as conspiracy theories go, I'm a big fan of No Agenda, which is pretty much all conspiracy theories. Which sometimes end up providing credible alternative explanations and, if nothing else, give you something to think about, if you so choose.
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tao and kevinThere was always organizing behind OWS and the Tea Party as well. It's my understanding that a couple of different groups came together in order to increase their presence yesterday. I bet it would be interesting to read some of the emails behind the Tea Party organizing, just out of curiosity. That said, it's still an organic movement and there's a lot of anger out here that they're tapping into. Expose the emails, I don't have a problem with that, so far I haven't read anything very surprising. Maybe there's a smoking gun in there that I haven't read yet but I do recognize a sense of bravado in their words. That's pretty typical of movements. If they advocate violence rather than a peaceful protest let me know. Chaos I understand, it's how you get noticed. tao, everytime you mention the crooks have you noticed it's only Democrats and Mozilo? The American people have been ripped off and they're beginning to realize it, there's enough blame out there to probably put 100 or more people in jail. It's pretty doubtful that'll ever happen don't you think? What we could do though, if there's any will at all, is take steps to restore the confidence of the middle class. There's an awful lot of us. Or we could do what Breitbart and Stranahan are doing, and just keep blaming liberals for everything.
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And there remains the fact that if more of these people were gainfully employed with hope for the future, they would be less likely to be protesting. And if there wasn't an impression that Wallstreet was full of folks taking taxpayer money and telling everybody to eat cake if they have no bread, they wouldn't be the targets of so much of the protest.In regards to Breitbart and Stranahan, most folks ( and their tribes ) blame groups they are not really a part of for perceived problems. Generally, liberal pundits don't blame liberals or liberalism for 2010 or the Tea Parties. Conservatives aren't going to blame themselves for OWS. Neither side is going to blame itself for our economic doldrums. They are going to blame the other side– it's always going to be the primary fault of someone outside of their tribe. Or many someones.Blame casting isn't going to make the current circumstance any better, however. People have made up their minds. I'm not at all certain protesting is going to accomplish anything substantive, but it might. Still, until such time as most folks both have something productive to do with their time, and don't feel like they are being abused and manipulated and neglected by the system, this sort of thing will happen. The critiques will happen, regardless. When people you disagree with organize, you are suspicious and assume the worst. Note the ongoing speculation about the evil forces behind the Tea Party. Perhaps that keeps such movements from being completely co-opted, which may be a good thing.
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KevinI understand, I'm just not going to be someone who lets critiques from the right go without a response. I may not be the best person to argue the progressive/liberal position because I'm actually pretty moderate and not unwilling to listen, but if no one else will speak up I will.Might as well get used to it. 🙂
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"I'm just not going to be someone who lets critiques from the right go without a response"Indeed, you should not! That's how we dope things out, not by clamming up." I may not be the best person to argue the progressive/liberal position because I'm actually pretty moderate and not unwilling to listen, but if no one else will speak up I will."I know exactly how you feel. 😉
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