The Sandusky Indictment

Posted on November 10, 2011 by markinaustin

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    kevinwillis.net, on November 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm said:

    Founding a charity to help at-risk kids, and then using that same charity to find at-risk gets to exploit and sexually assault. A very depressing and enraging start to the day.

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    yellojkt, on November 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm said:

    This is actually archetypal predator behavior. Gifts, special privileges, overnight stays, one-on-one 'coaching'. They are warning signs for any serious youth-oriented program to avoid. That he went unnoticed when he was so blatant (even disregarding the direct eyewitness of the anal rape) is a huge black-eye for both PSU and anyone involved with his charity.

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    bsimon, on November 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm said:

    I'd rather hear more about Perry's brain fart.Is this a recoverable fumble?

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    NoVAHockey, on November 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm said:

    I have three cousins who went to Penn State and that side of the family is into PSU football in a big way. I was pretty shocked to hear about this. It seemed so unfathomable. but i guess any big institution is going to look to protect itself first. lesson = trust nobody.

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    ashotinthedark, on November 10, 2011 at 2:54 pm said:

    I can't believe students rioted when Paterno was fired last night. If you read the Grand Jury report, McQueary (the graduate assistant) told Paterno what he witnessed. Paterno then told the Athletic Director that Sandusky fondled the child or that something sexual occurred. So either McQueary downplayed what he saw to Paterno or Paterno downplayed what McQueary told him when he met with the AD (I suppose Paterno could also be lying to the Grand Jury and did in fact tell them exactly what occurred). Not surprisingly what occurred was further downplayed by the AD. Since the Grand Jury indicted the AD and the vice-president for perjury they did not believe that the AD or VP were not given all the details. So they clearly believe McQueary when hs says he told everyone what he saw. So, to me, it looks like Paterno started the sick game of telephone where what occurred was downplayed or he lied to the Grand Jury.

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    schrodingerscat, on November 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm said:

    This whole thing is just sickening. To think of all the children that were abused – their lives changed forever – because no one had the moral fortitude to pick up the phone and call the police. Just disgusting.

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    jnc4p, on November 10, 2011 at 3:06 pm said:

    "I can't believe students rioted when Paterno was fired last night."I'm not surprised by this in the least. College football as an institution and the BS amateur myth that goes with it doesn't build values, it subverts them. The most important thing is winning. Everything else is secondary and can be overlooked provided it doesn't interfere with the primary goal.Related:Sportswriters Rally to the Cause of Unpaid Labor

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    Mark in Austin, on November 10, 2011 at 3:15 pm said:

    I agree, Kev. I do think that the Grand Jury believed that Joe Paterno tried to do the right thing. The story unravels when the guy in administrative charge of PSU cops is told about it but does not order a PSU cop investigation. He tells the GJ that he thought he did ask for an investigation but he thought the report was inconsequential. GJ thinks that guy [Schultz] was less than forthcoming to them. GJ thinks the graduate assistant and Paterno tried to report this to someone who would take appropriate action and the most consequential PA statute on failure to report, in this context, applies to the University president, as far as this GJ report is concerned.From the story woven by the GJ in the report supporting the indictment, I would not have recommended firing Paterno, if I were employment counsel to PSU, without warning the Trustees that they had to honor his contract to the last $. Indeed, I suspect they will honor his contract and not try to avoid it from this incident.

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    yellojkt, on November 10, 2011 at 3:18 pm said:

    I know a lot of Penn State grads and their worship of Saint Joe borders on idolatry. I have no idea how they feel about him now as it would be unseemly to call and appear to be gloating.

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    Mark in Austin, on November 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm said:

    bsimon, because Perry has been listing the three departments he wants to abolish for months, the brain fart seems unfathomable, even assuming lazy failure to prep for the debate. Which I assume, by assumption.

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    NoVAHockey, on November 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm said:

    "idea how they feel about him now"betrayed, i would imagine.

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    Mike, on November 10, 2011 at 3:33 pm said:

    I taught at Penn State for 8 years. This whole story is just shocking to me. And JoePa idolatry is not limited to the students — I'm sure lots of the faculty are beyond disbelief as well.But I do think that the Trustees didn't have much of a choice except to fire Paterno and Spanier.

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    jnc4p, on November 10, 2011 at 3:37 pm said:

    ""idea how they feel about him now"betrayed, i would imagine. "No. A smattering of posts from my Facebook feed from friends who went to Penn State indicates that their primary concern is that Joe won't be allowed to finish the season and retire with dignity.The only people they feel betrayed by is the board of reagents for firing him, rather than letting him finish the season and retire.

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    yellojkt, on November 10, 2011 at 3:41 pm said:

    I cannot imagine the catcalls if JoPa were to take the field at an away game. That is publicity PSU could ill-afford.

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    NoVAHockey, on November 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm said:

    that's really disappointing, jnc4p. Like I noted upthread, i didn't go to PSU, but alwasys considered myself a fan, if not of the team, definitely of JoePa. my reaction was of the "Say it ain't so, Joe" variety.

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    Mark in Austin, on November 10, 2011 at 4:45 pm said:

    Please re-read from pages 7 through 10 of the report supporting the indictment. Paterno took the matter seriously. He called his athletic director to his home to report what the graduate assistant told him. The graduate assistant should have called DPW or the PSU cops. Paterno should have told the graduate assistant to do that and perhaps walked him through the process, right then. I am not convinced that is what most folks know what to do, from the experiences I have had as a lawyer. I am not convinced that coaches know about this, as a general rule. What Paterno did not do, ashot, is suppress the information, or attempt to suborn the witness. These are telling in his favor, and both he and the graduate assistant were found credible by the GJ, while Curley and Schultz were not.

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    ashotinthedark, on November 10, 2011 at 5:03 pm said:

    Mark- Doesn't there seem to be some incongruence with respect to what McQueary told Paterno and what Paterno reported to the AD? Maybe the incongruence is due to the indictment rather than Paterno's testimony, but based on the indictment it looks like Paterno may have downplayed what occurred.I am also troubled by the fact that Sandusky was caught showering with a boy in 1998 and retired in 1999…at a rather young age. If Paterno knew what happened in 1998, it's hard for me to imagine he did not know, and then found out what occurred in 2002 I can't imagine how he allowed the University to let the guy have an office, a parking spot and give a commencement speech.

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    ashotinthedark, on November 10, 2011 at 5:04 pm said:

    Mark- I do agree that plenty of folks would report this to their boss and assume the boss would do the right thing. That certainly doesn't make it right, particularly given what Paterno knew and that children were involved.

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    schrodingerscat, on November 10, 2011 at 5:54 pm said:

    On ESPN now, someone reported that Paterno "vaguely" recalled the GA saying something about "fondling" or "touching". Okay – even allowing that Pterno is older – wouldn't someone reporting to you that your employee of 33 yrs was Ina shower with a 10 yr old boy kind of stick with you? I can't imagine that's the sort of thing that you would forget.And why didn't he follow up? Didn't he wonder why Sandusky was still hanging around?

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    Mark in Austin, on November 10, 2011 at 6:54 pm said:

    Too many loose assumptions are being floated. This is not a HS gym. There is no reason to believe, from anything in this report, that Paterno ever saw Sandusky in the PSU locker room after 1998.Perhaps an RCC type conspiracy of silence beginning with Paterno will emerge from yet to be divulged facts, and that is what the media wants. But there is nothing of the kind in this report.That such a conspiracy began with Schultz has some support.

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    NoVAHockey, on November 10, 2011 at 6:55 pm said:

    jnc4p — as a pittsburgh sports fan (steelers, penguins, and yes, the pirates), mark madden is a bomb thrower. that said, he's never made an accusation like that.

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    jnc4p, on November 10, 2011 at 7:20 pm said:

    "jnc4p — as a pittsburgh sports fan (steelers, penguins, and yes, the pirates), mark madden is a bomb thrower.that said, he's never made an accusation like that."Apparently he had the story back in April?Madden: Sandusky a State secretThis is one of those cases that would have been on the old Law & Order within two months.DA Who Never Charged Sandusky Has Been Missing Since 2005

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    NoVAHockey, on November 10, 2011 at 7:31 pm said:

    I remember that story from 2005 but IIRC it was reported as a missing person story. which makes sense i suppose.

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    NoVAHockey, on November 10, 2011 at 7:49 pm said:

    more here: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ycn-10407023"These reports, as of the writing of this piece, are coming only from Mark Madden, and they are currently only rumors and speculation. With that said, Mark Madden has been mostly correct about a grand jury investigation which was sealed until very recently. I'm not suggesting that I 100 percent believe Madden to be correct. I'm certainly not ignoring a word he's saying regarding the Sandusky case at this point."

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    schrodingerscat, on November 10, 2011 at 8:01 pm said:

    Mark, Paterno didn't have to see him in the locker room – he was an assistant professor emeritus of physical education and had an office on campus. Do you not think Paterno was not aware of that?I understandn that there's nothing in the grand jury report to suggest that Paterno did anything illegal. He did what he was legally obligated to do. But I can't for the life of me, as a human being, understand why no one took the extra step to go beyond that.

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    yellojkt, on November 10, 2011 at 8:06 pm said:

    An April 4 comment from the Madden article that was pretty much right on the money:"This has got to be the worst piece of journalism I have ever seen. What knowledge do you have of this? I am unsubscribing from this newspaper solely because of this rag of an article."Is this guy now obligated to resubscribe?

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    ashotinthedark, on November 10, 2011 at 8:16 pm said:

    Mark- "There is no reason to believe, from anything in this report, that Paterno ever saw Sandusky in the PSU locker room after 1998."I didn't say he saw him in the locker room, but you are probably right. Paterno's son reportedly said that Paterno never spoke to Sandusky about the 2002 incident so maybe Paterno had not spoken to Sandusky in a long time. After the 2002 incident Paterno at least knew that Sandusky had been in the locker room. And I have trouble believing that Paterno didn't know Sandusky had an office etc at the Unviersity. It sure looks like Paterno avoided this situation as best he could. The report does make it look like Schultz just sat on the information he was given and the grand jury thinks he lied about what he knew. I agree the report contains nothing to lead to the conclusion that Paterno was part of that cover up. Based on the description of Paterno's testimony on page 7 though, he did not give the AD all the gory details. Maybe that description is inaccurate or maybe Paterno was uncomfortable describing what happened or maybe he was trying to downplay what occurred. It isn't clear from the report.

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    ScottC, on November 10, 2011 at 8:17 pm said:

    s-cat and ashot:I am with you guys. Paterno may have fulfilled his legal obligations, but he's got plenty to be ashamed about.

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    jnc4p, on November 10, 2011 at 8:20 pm said:

    "I remember that story from 2005 but IIRC it was reported as a missing person story. which makes sense i suppose. "The key is the hard drive being removed from his laptop before it was thrown in the river.

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    Mark in Austin, on November 10, 2011 at 8:59 pm said:

    Ashot, I got the same story both times, but it is a good one.If the Madden article rumoring a 1998 cover-up is true, then there is nothing that happened after that can be truly "innocent".

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    ScottC, on November 10, 2011 at 8:59 pm said:

    This is unbelievable (and not a joke). In 2001 Sandusky published an autobiography titled: Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story.Oh my.

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    lmsinca, on November 10, 2011 at 9:54 pm said:

    OMG scott, what a disgusting excuse for a human being. This whole story makes me sick. And no, Joe Pa is not an innocent bystander IMO. When confronted with these kind of allegations I think it requires a little more due diligence than he was apparently willing to put forth. I will revise that opinion if further facts come to light.

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    ashotinthedark, on November 10, 2011 at 10:03 pm said:

    Scott- Wow….truth is stranger than fiction.

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    ScottC, on November 11, 2011 at 12:29 am said:

    lms:I very much agree.

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    ashotinthedark, on November 11, 2011 at 1:53 pm said:

    Mark- Not sure you'll see this, but is the graduate assistant who saw the rape and reported it to Paterno protected by state or federal whistle blower laws? I'm trying to figure out if that is why he hasn't been fired.

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