Hump Day Morning Thread

There’s lots of stuff being worked on, but nothing done, so I thought I might open up a morning thread. So, fellow ATiMers, Stand and Deliver.

If you weren’t a teenager in the 1980s who just got MTV, the Stand and Deliver thing probably won’t mean that much to you. But who isn’t amused by the site a pretty kitteh in a giant pile of what could be snow, or could be cocaine. Who knows?

The iPhone 5 is going to debut Oct 4! Hopefully, AT&T will drop the price of the iPhone 4, and I will buy one of those.

It’s been a rough 10 years for the middle class, statistically speaking. Anecdotally, it doesn’t seem any rougher, to me, than what I observed in the ’70s and ’80s. But statistics don’t lie!

This post has been brought to you by Montanto’s House of the Future.

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  1. NoVA is here now. He just left a "test" comment on San Francisco thread. Thanks Kev. I'm waiting for call from tech support so will leave abruptly at any minute or in several hours, lol.

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  2. Thank you all for the vote of confidence and the invite. Looking forward to contributing here. I see you have a blog roll. I'd like to add Reason's Hit and Run blog and Radley Balko's The Agitator to the reading list, if possible.

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  3. Snidely McWhiplash! You'll be made an admin, NoVA, and will be able to add the the blog roll yourself. I've updated this post to reflect my desire for a new iPhone and my love of vintage Disney attractions. Please make a note of it.

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  4. I may be the only person in America who doesn't understand Charlie Sheen's popularity. I wish the kitty well.Many of us suspected this, I suppose, but the last decade hasn't been kind to a lot of Americans, including the American middle class.http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-middle-class-incomes-fell-7-between-2000-and-2010-20110921,0,7914883.story

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  5. The story is, when it came time to demolish the house the future (great sadness), Disney brought in the wrecking ball, and it just bounced off Monsanto's plastic house. They ended up having to saw it into pieces they could then truck away. These days, it would probably be neatly disassembled and put into storage . . . I dunno. I've always thought Disney needs to open a 5th gate down in Orlando (there's room for it), and call it Retroland, and use it as a repository/homage to previous, retired attractions. Stuff like Monsanto's House of the Future and Monsanto's Journey Through Inner-space (featuring the voice of Paul Frees, same fellow who did the Haunted Mansion) could be brought back in Retroland!Never gonna happen. But I can dream.

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  6. Ha! Kevin and I read the same stats! I hadn't seen his update when I posted.

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  7. Great minds think alike, MsJS.NoVA, you are now an admin. Add sites to visit and items to the link dump at your leisure.

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  8. Snidely/NoVa, glad you made it.Now if lms would only bring back the hippie, I could see my two favorite avatars of all times.Kev, love that Monsanto house and the Disney idea. My family is addicted to DW. We hate it yet keep going. So kitschy, so impractical, so bankrupting, so frustrating, yet strangely enjoyable. And I love retro stuff. Tomorrowland itself looks very retro at this point.

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  9. tech question — if i sign in w/ my NoVA google account here, it that going to kick me out of my other gmail account? is there a work around for that?

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  10. Okay you guys, in honor of NoVA and his avatar showing up, here you go (I hope).

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  11. NoVA, hopefully Kevin will see your question because I have no idea.

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  12. Woohoo!NoVa, I'm a klutz, but I'm pretty sure there is a Google/gmail setting that allows multiple account signins. I think I have it set up in fact but haven't been using it.

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  13. NoVa,Answer: you can be signed in to multiple google accounts (I am right now). Somewhere in your settings is allow multiple signins.

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  14. QB — thanks, i'm setting up another account.

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  15. QB: Tomorrowland Disneyland went Steampunk. Don't like it. Sort of copying Disneyland Paris. But there are so many great rides that have been retired from all the parks. E-tickets tend to get repurposed, and would be too expensive to replicate (if they changed the content of Spaceship Earth at Epcot, it would be silly to build another Spaceship Earth at Retroland, even though I much prefer the 2nd version of Spaceship earth from the 80s and 90s, with Walter Cronkite. However, I think a big ride in Retroland (call it the Disney Experience) could be done in the style of The Great Movie Ride, and drive people through dozens of retired Disney rides, with snippets of the original dialog from the ride . . . I may be the only person who misses Delta Dream Flight (replaced by the Buzz Lightyear ride about 10 years ago), but there's a lot of classics that could be referenced–America Sings, the original Epcot City of the Future (a small portion can be seen as part of the Tomorrowland Transit Authority in the Magic Kingdom), several rides at Epcot have been shuttered since it opened . . . Mission to the Moon/Mission to Mars. Retroland should have a version of mainstreet with the classic, long absent stores, like Wizard of Bras (from Disneyland in 1955!) or the tobacco store. Admittedly, the tobacco store probably couldn't sell tobacco, anymore, but could sell tobacco related nostalgia, or display it (like cigarette cards, matchbooks). And then a Meet Mr. Lincoln-style attraction, but it's "Disney, a Man and His Dream". And a latest-tech animtronic Walt Disney talks about his legacy, using the numerous real audio of him over the years. Retroland would be awesome. And bring back the double-decker buses . . .

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  16. NoVA, only way around that is to open them up in separate browsers: one in IE and one in Firefox, or Opera, or Chrome, or Safari. Each browser has it's own set of cookies, so you can have a different google account logged in in each browser.

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  17. And the other way that QB mentioned. I didn't know Google supported that. Well, good on them!

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  18. NoVA, btw I know I used MedPac to lure you over here but I really am interested in your insight and if you have the chance to highlight the salient points, assuming you're going to wade through it anyway, I'd love to read your thoughts.Also, ashot had a post up yesterday re medical costs and transparency if you're interested.

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  20. Also, classic elements get taken off rides as new technology, or technical problems, change them. The end of the Haunted Mansion at Disney World used to end with you looking at yourself in a mirror, and seeing a hitch-hiking ghost. This was done with mirror-glass, and having a full replica of the people mover vehicle, with an animatronic of the ghost, perfectly matched to the motion of your vehicle. They've replaced it with dynamic computerized video and flat panel displays . . . which is fine (technology marches on), but it means the old duplicate vehicles and their animatronic ghosts are retired. That stuff often goes to warehouses, gets auctioned off, sometimes stripped and repurposed . . . but it would go great as a sequence in The Disney Adventure ride at Retroland.

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  21. how sad is that? she whispers MedPAC and I come running. I'm working on a summary of the meeting now for clients. I should probably give it to them first. but I can post a highlights for this group early next week – with my opinions

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  22. Also, there's going to be a new Avatar Land/Ride at Disney's Animal Kingdom:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-hill/avatar-park_b_973615.htmlIf you've ever been on the Indiana Jones Temple of the Forbidden Eye ride (it's based on the same mechanism as the Dinosaur ride at Animal Kingdom, but the Dinosaur ride sucks in comparison to Temple of the Forbidden Eye ("tourists, why'd it have to be tourists"), you know these collaborations can be awesome.

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  23. Should have made that a clickable link:Disney Avatar-Land is Coming

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  24. KW — got my tickets to see them in Nov. the Foo Fighters. not westboro.

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  25. Foot fighter! Sheeze. "Foo Fighters protest Westboro Baptist Church's protest of the Foo Fighters."

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  26. Now, I have to work. See you guys later!

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  27. A quick "check-in" here. Unless I went through comments too quickly and misread, lms commented somewhere that we are public now. That is news to me! I very much would like to clean up some of the administrative-type comments before this is public.

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  28. Okie, I agree and will delete my post above. I went through mine the other night when we had such a long discussion and deleted all of mine there as well. I'll check for others of mine, but will wait and see what everyone decides re the entirety. Maybe we could assign someone with a little time on their hand to do it? Just a thought.I only found out it was public yesterday by accident.

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  29. lms/okie:I believe you can always tell if the blog is public by looking for the "most recent comments" section in the sidebar. If I am not mistaken, that only works if the blog is public. But although we are public, I don't think it has been "announced" anywhere, so unless someone either deliberately looked for us, or stumbled upon us by accident, no one knows yet.

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  30. Sure, I'll do that as I get time thru the afternoon…starting with these few here talking about it!

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  31. Thanks, both scott and lms. I suggest each commenter be responsible for their own, but we may need to clean up for some who are not currently here.I am "removing content" on mine so somebody else who may have responded does not appear to be a raving lunatic responding to an imaginary comment. Many contain both substantive and administrative comment.

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  32. It is possible to navigate to, and read, the blog without being signed in, so it appears we are indeed public now.I could not find it with Google, though. I found the lady who has allthingsinmoderation.com, but not us.

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  33. Thanks to whomever posted Kwak's deconstruction of BHO's suggested budget fix. It is a link at the top right, but also available through one of our floating permanent blog links, "Baseline Scenario".Kwak takes it as a signal that BHo will not let the GWB tax cuts expire, once again. That has been my prediction as well. We shall see.

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  34. It may be a while before we're in Google. I don't think it's necessary, per se, to "submit" the link to Google. It should happen automagically–at some point. But I just wanted to take it public to see if the recent comments thing would work as promised. Going public doesn't make an announcement, so anybody here other than us stumbled over it by accident. We can always privatize it again, if necessary.

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  35. In fact, we never would have had to have gone private in the first place if Scott hadn't gone shooting off his mouth over at Plumline . . . ;)Not that I'm pointing fingers at anybody or anything.

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  36. Just as I was beginning to forgive myself….

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  37. Guess who Mark re the Kwak piece? Very interesting I thought.I like to put the authors name in the link because there are some I follow more than others.

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  38. Does anyone have something new to post, not that this isn't interesting and all. We're working one computer down today so I'm having trouble just keeping up, much less posting.

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  39. I was sure it was you, lms, of course!

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  40. lms – I was reading this but haven't had a chance turn it into a post. http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/private-insurance-is-more-efficient-than-medicare-by-far/#more-37821I also posted in the link dump a video that could get a thread on police brutality going.

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  41. That "Sweet Dreams" thread from the 15th could use some clean-up. Most of mine were already deleted I think. It definitely reads weird.

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  42. Thanks NoVA. I'm having trouble keeping up today so will check all the links this evening.ABC is having trouble commenting so I steered her to the FAQ page, but she said to tell everyone HI. And through her I'm still working with BGinCHI and hopefully Tao.

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  43. I put a link in up top about Howard Dean and the McKinsey survey. Probably worth a post in and of itself but I don't have time. Sorry.

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  44. OK, I've gone through a taken care of any of my comments that I didn't want the cold, cruel world to be able to see. Some I just deleted the content so that the placeholder is still there, others I deleted the whole thing. I'll bet some of those strings are going to read very strangely now!

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  45. I am jammed with work (nonbillable, sadly) and unlikely to have a new post today.I have a minor suggestion, though, which is that we could make a practice of using the edit function to add smaller items to the morning and evening threads after they are published, just as we previously discussed always having the evening thread in draft throughout the day so that we can drop items in as we see them.Since we are all multi-taskers and not full-time bloggers, this would be another way to throw another log on the fire, so to speak, without building a whole new fire. So, e.g., Troll could have added his link to this post (or dropped one in the evening draft) as an alternative to just the link dump. Form over substance maybe, but I think it would be a good approach.

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  46. I agree it's worth a try, qb.BTW, both Scottc and I have new threads, in case anyone's interested.

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  47. Ooops. Scott's new thread's disappeared. Mine's still there, though.

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  48. Good idea, qb. I just went and created a placeholder post for tonight's B&P. And, MsJS I can see both your and Scott's new posts from the Home page, so live links here.

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  49. I was having formatting issues and had to delete it a couple of times. All good now.

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