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yellojktKevin Drum had this poll up today which I found interesting. It’s no wonder Republicans can swing the debate their way by not compromising. This will coincide nicely with a post I’m working on making the case that conservatives, at the far right end of the spectrum at least, or what we all call the base, stick to their ideology with the zeal of religious faith. I wonder if after seeing this poll anyone can really argue against that.
“We’ve seen this result before, but here’s some confirmation from a recent CBS poll. If you ask Democrats if their politicians should stick to their guns come hell or high water, virtually no one thinks that’s a good idea. Compromise reigns supreme. Ask Republicans, and you get a very sizeable chunk who are ready to die for every hill — and, undoubtedly, ready to punish any politicians who doesn’t. I’m not sure that a single poll question can explain Washington all by itself, but if there is one, this is it. Republicans are scared of their base; Democrats aren’t.”
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I like the "posted by". As I'm working on the FAQ sheet and testing things out to make sure I give the correct answer I'll see if there's a way to do that automatically. Or Kevin or Scott may already know the answer to that and drop it into this thread.On topic, is this a new poll that he was citing? I seem to remember seeing something with this exact same result a week or so ago, in which case it would be confirming the results of the first one.
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It was just released yesterday, it would be interesting to see the old poll.Great idea on the FAQ sheet btw. I sure could use it.
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lms, I just read your true story about your daughter and the prom date. To quote 12BB: Bwahahahahahaha!!!! I have to say, that is one thing I've never done!
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This is a little less than even I, cynic that I am, expected. David Dayen has the run down.The House GOP leadership has written a memo to their caucus picking and choosing what they would be willing to support in the American Jobs Act. The numbers come out to support for 1/44th of the overall price tag, about 2% of the total bill.As you may know, the AJA is comprised of about 57% tax cuts and 43% spending initiatives. So in the main, House Republican leaders tossed out the spending and embraced a few of the tax cuts. They also rejected the tax hikes on corporations and the wealthy to pay for the bill.John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Kevin McCarthy and Jeb Hensarling, who wrote the memo, took advantage of the President’s backtracking of an “all or nothing” approach to the bill, and stressed “areas of common agreement” in the plan. Here’s what they picked out (White House estimated cost in parentheses):• Extending the 100% bonus depreciation for business, basically a tax break on capital purchases. ($5 billion)• Expanding incentives for hiring veterans, in the form of a tax credit to business. The GOP wants to actually build on this and add education and job training assistance to it. (n.a.)• Georgia Works-style programs for job training for the unemployed. I’ve noted on a couple occasions the concern with this approach. “While the President links these reforms to a blanket extension of extended (up to 99 weeks) UI benefits and new federal spending, there is no reason we cannot move forward on these areas of agreement,” the memo says. In other words, ditch the extension of UI and just institute Georgia Works. ($5 billion)http://tinyurl.com/5vwx9ug
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Re conservatives believing it's more important to stick to your position than compromise. Either I was remembering farther back than I thought, or the phenomenon has been going on longer. I just found this: http://www.gallup.com/poll/145541/conservative-americans-leaders-stick-beliefs.aspxand I found it interesting that the two opposite ends of the pole politically have almost mirror image responses. Thirty-six percent of Very Conservative Americans ranked it a 5 (Very Important) to stick to your beliefs, while 37% of Very Liberal Americans ranked it a 1 (Very Important to Compromise).Being a poll neophyte, I'll go out on a limb and say this is a trend.
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I don't think I'm doing that tiny url thingy correctly. It's not working so here's the full address for the David Dayen piece.http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/09/17/house-republicans-whittle-down-447-billion-american-jobs-act-to-11-billion/
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I think it's a very interesting phenomena.
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Hi girls!Ims, the tiny worked just fine.
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lms: I've got to figure out why dropping links in doesn't make them live. Once the guys are done fighting it out on Scott's thread they'll probably drop in and know the answer. But I'm going to test a few things out to see if I can figure it out. . .so if you see me post a comment and then it disappears a few seconds later it's because I'm testing.
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sue, I couldn't open in a new window and when I put it into a new browser it went to a tinyurl site.Hi btw. Busy day?
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Hi, sue!Still testing. . .
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Test.The link to the Gallup poll
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Got it!!!
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BUSY! OMG. I'm really spent. The crud is hanging on, but is better. Worked at the kiln loading pots and directing newbies for 11 hours today, and it's Groundhog's Day tomorrow. But it's going better than we excepted since we had 3 people drop out at the last minute. That is just infuriating, since we have been putting this firing together since April, and are counting on everyone pulling their weight.
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Evening, all. Sorry, but I have to watch my Sooners! It's a good game. Priorities, you know.lms, the tinyurl link worked fine for me as a cut-and-paste in new tab. The comments there were brutal about Obama. I'm going to take a stab at putting it in this comment as a link.House Republicans Whittle Down $447 Billion American Jobs Act to $11 Billion.
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Scott lost badly, so now he says, all I was saying is if there is some upside possibility, there should be some downside risk. No free lunch, wow. Do Republicans ever get off that idea? Is that the sum total of Republican thought? No free lunch, we get it.Everyone knows that. That has nothing to do with anything that is destroying the economy, unless corporate rent seeking is exempt from the free lunch critique. The cost of the FDIC is priced into banking in general. Is the cost of bankers priced in? Sure it is. But Republicans are always terrified, yeah the FDIC, that's the problem. Anyway, hope you all had fun today.
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If there's no "free lunch," why should banks be able to make use of your deposited funds to loan out to someone else, for which they charge interest, without paying you for the privilege?
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okie, I never read the comments at FDL anymore, they've been over the top since the health care debate. But I love David Dayen's work and read everything he writes.
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suekz, the argument is beneath you.Mgoose, that poor guy is in bad shape. I dropped a torpedo his way earlier and he said he might commit suicide. He was joking, but I know from what I said, he wasn't. I told him he might let the world come to him [as opposed to forcing himself on it] and then the world might like him. Usually, people don't bring up suicide as an alternative to that possibility.
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The tomatoes are outstanding.I've saved out some specials to bring to work Monday, as if they all looked and tasted like that, the gardener's prerogative. I take Voltaire seriously, tending the garden. For all, the hard work is a given, I've been lucky and unlucky and this Summer was a lucky one. Both my kids' teams won their games, no one injured, I just could not feel luckier.
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sue, do you spend just one day loading the pots? Isn't this a wood-fired kiln?
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sue, excellent point that I don't think has been pointed out to Scott. And I'm sorry that your crud has been hanging on–several folks out here have had a truly horrific early season flu (adults with temperatures of 104 for three to four days is never good) and I'm walking around spraying everything at work down with alcohol before I touch it. Looking forward to seeing another beautiful piece in a week or so, though!And okie can't multi-task? I'm watching the Utes (lose to) BYU at the moment. C'mon, Utes!!
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Perhaps beach's manic phase is crashing.I'm looking forward to knowing how to do the live link in a comment. It's so much easier reading and checking out the links that way.
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okie! I maligned you–I should have known better. Humble apologies. And may whoever the Sooners are playing be as less than dust beneath their wheels.
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okie, if Scott is reduced to saying "no free lunch" as a concluding position, he should have started there and then we (or I should say I) could have all rolled my eyes and nodded knowingly. Save the key strokes, we might need them some day.The beach guy is circling the drain, sadly, but there is nothing to be done about that. All the usual cliches apply.
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shrink,Maybe. But, I'm sure am enjoying sipping this toddy and not thinking hard right now. (I started reading that thread…and then just stopped…)
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smart, very smart
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Could one of you savvy tech persons go to new post and then edit posts and see why we're only seeing three draft posts instead of all posts? I can't figure it out. I better stick to reading and commenting and leave the "complicated" stuff to others, lol.
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lol, michi. I'm doing my best, but I'm kinda with sue on this. Enjoying my wine and the game. Had a truly fine dinner of tuna fillet (cooked to perfection . . . had to work a bit to get my arm long enough to reach my own back) after a lot of productive work time today. It's a great game against Florida State, #1 vs #5 ranked.
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Well crap. If FSU makes this extra point, it's a tie game with under 10 min to go.
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okie,Yes, the woodkiln. It's a 2-1/2 to 3 day loading process. Started yesterday afternoon, all day today and tomorrow, detail the front firebox on Monday, and then brink up the door. Fire starting Tues Noon to Sunday Noon, a week to cool, and then unload on Oct. 2.
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I see all the posts, not just the drafts.
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Okay, then I did something to myself there. I'll try to figure it out. It was after I edited my post and added a very important comma. I must have change a setting by mistake.
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ouch, sue. LOTS of work there, but I'm sure on Oct 2nd you will be glad you did it. Please take lots of pics to post here.
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"added a very important comma." ROFLMAO
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I'm with okie. My right arm is now MUCH longer reaching back there.Short version: <"a" href="URL">title<"/a">
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Okay I fixed the list of posts on my end. Now let me see if I can try this link deal. What is it called btw? I'm going to have to write that down somewhere safe it looks like. I'll go chase down a good link and see if I can do it, I've always wondered how but was too chicken to ask.
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this is itScott taught me, you can go to the New Post editor box and set up a live link from the HTML tab menu, then cut and paste (leave the page at the prompt)it onto this comment box. Then you don't have to deal with remembering all the junk.
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blah blah blahWe Hate Obamablah blah blahlet's see if that worked
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It did, it did.
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How do you know if your ass is too small?
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HA! Mine worked, too! LOLI'm not too dead to learn, apparently.
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Do you drop the quotes from around the a's but leave them around the url. And is the title your new title? I'm still doing something wrong.
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And shrink, I even clicked on it. Lead sentence from Meghan McCain: "I would like, to thank the editors of Red State.org, for inviting me back! It would seeming that my latest column (for which I was paid), has, in the hearts and minds of many people, questions been raising, in the ways that thoughtful pieces sometimes do, after all this time." This seems to disprove the statement that they have editors.
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One more time, that Kennedy curse
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Ims, Yes, drop only the quotes around the A's.
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okie that's funnydon't read it, this is a science projectyou might burn your retinas
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Okay I get it but it won't work in the comment box? Am I supposed to import it from somewhere else. I see it's just like doing bold or italics.
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shrink, next time could you give some advance warning not to click on it? I'm already damaged.
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I was doing something wrong earlier, shrink, because I couldn't get it to work from the editor box. Now I'll have to got try that out (tomorrow).okie's Sooners are about to clinch their game. Utes are at the half (if we lose to BYU. . . )I was listening to "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" on NPR this morning and they were broadcasting from Portland. Peter Segal threw out a little nugget of knowledge I need to ask you about: he said that Portland had more strip clubs per capita than any other city in the US. True???
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You can type it all out here in the comment box. Or you can go to the New Post tab, press HTML, follow the prompts, and cut and paste it back here. It does all of the tag details, you just need to type your words, then paste in the address and your words become the link.
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"shrink, next time could you give some advance warning not to click on it? I'm already damaged."I am so sorry. Never again, I'll be more careful.Good night.
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lms: check to see if for some reason your link copied itself twice into the "URL" space. That was my problem the first couple of times and I don't know why it did that.Or you can be like a true scientist and feel smug by typing the whole damned thing out. 🙂
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'Night, shrink! Have a good night with the boys and your precious wife. I'm still blown away by your story this morning.
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Okay, I'll just keep trying. Thanks for all the help. If anyone needs help with quick books or watercolor quilts just let me know.
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"Portland had more strip clubs per capita than any other city in the US." Yes and they allow 18yo to have full contact with customers. Can't drink, but they sure can "dance". It is really something. Darrel Hannah was here last year protesting (child sex trafficking, hey girl, want an ID?). 14yo "dancer" got arrested recently. We can talk about it tomorrow, it is no joke. Free enterprise, free market, liberty, justice…Good night.
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Woohoo
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There's a space between a and href, lol. Thanks all.
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Bravo, Ims!! (Good link, too!)
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Night Shrink, another day off tomorrow.
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"If there's no "free lunch," why should banks be able to make use of your deposited funds to loan out to someone else, for which they charge interest, without paying you for the privilege?"Who said they "should"? Who said they do? Seriously, the reality that Scott described is not a normative account. It is an accurate descriptive account. If you gave your money to the bank to keep in its vault, free of risk, then it isn't allowed to lend your money and make interest on it. If you gave your money to a bank to lend to other people to make money, without being paid some of that interest, you made a bad deal with the bank.Think of the Parable of the Talents. It's all right there.
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What's a good Socialist to do, shrink?!? See you tomorrow!Congrats, lms! This is why I'll need people to test fly my answers on the FAQ sheet.Now, if only my Utes can manage to get their act together.
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Well, time for me to get horizontal and snuggle in. Long day ahead. Nite nite!
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michi, I'll be the guinea pig, if I can follow them anyone can. It'll be fun.Night Sue, good luck with the kiln tomorrow.
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I'm out for the night as well. Sweet dreams to all.michi, I see your Utes lookin' good!
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qbIf you gave your money to a bank to lend to other people to make money, without being paid some of that interest, you made a bad deal with the bank.Obviously, but how does this fit in with the discussion of FDIC? We take the risk and they reap the rewards in the meantime, at a much larger return on investment?
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They just went up by 20, okie. Given their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. . .Sweet dreams, sue and okie!Is it just us girls (lms and me) now, or are you still here, qb?
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And, no, Scott did not lose badly. If shrink doesn't think it is worth pointing out that deposit insurance creates the illusion to that interest can be earned with risk, so be it. It is still the fact.As to cef, this is his standard pattern. He purports to declare the truth from on high, in posts that usually make little sense and seldom even address the issue, ignores counterarguments and declares victory. We know that Bush lied, because we didn't find the WMDs. We know tax revenues always increase with tax rates, even though all economists disagree. And now Scott "failed" because he didn't accept cef's declaration that lending money is a free lunch. To all of it, I say, whatever. If cef doesn't want to discuss issues rather than have people simply accept his oracular pronouncements, that's his decision.
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Here's a little more from the NY Times on the soon to be announced "Buffet Rule".With a special joint Congressional committee starting work to reach a bipartisan budget deal by late November, the proposal adds a new and populist feature to Mr. Obama’s effort to raise the political pressure on Republicans to agree to higher revenues from the wealthy in return for Democrats’ support of future cuts from Medicare and Medicaid.Mr. Obama, in a bit of political salesmanship, will call his proposal the “Buffett Rule,” in a reference to Warren E. Buffett, the billionaire investor who has complained repeatedly that the richest Americans generally pay a smaller share of their income in federal taxes than do middle-income workers, because investment gains are taxed at a lower rate than wages.
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lms,I don't understand your question. When you say we take the risk, you mean taxpayers?[Anyway, I will probably answer tomorrow sometime. Ready to collapse and must be up early.]
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qb, I think you and Scott are both starting from the wrong position. Nobody thinks that putting their money in a bank is taking a risk ("the illusion to that interest can be earned with risk")And I'm not going to put words into cef's mouth, but I can tell you Bush lied. Or at least was lied to and was insulated enough to not know. Let's just say the Administration lied. I was one of the people tasked with briefing units going over for Desert Storm on Sadaam Hussein's chemical weapons capabilities before they went (it's not like it was a select cohort; many of us were given that assignment). We knew (1) what he had (2) where he had it (3) what we confiscated and (4) what we destroyed. There was nothing left over. . . for the Administration to posit otherwise was disingenuous at best. Nobody was misled. They knew. We'd known for years.
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Okay qb, we can revisit in the morning or whenever. I went back to the thread and I understand both your's and Scott's arguments and the distinctions. I think the problem is, for me anyway, if I'm going to give the bank my money to use for investment purposes, for which I make a really minimal amount of interest income compared the the amount of interest they make on my money, let them take the risk or back up that risk by paying into FDIC.
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Interesting michi re the WMD. And now I'm going to bed also, good luck finishing up tomorrow.
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Second, lms. I think we're starting from different positions: they assume that a reasonable man thinks he's assuming a risk by depositing money in a bank. I assume that a reasonable man thinks the opposite (how long has the FDIC been around now? 90 years-ish).This is going to be a fun blog!
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Thanks, lms (football game). Sweet dreams to you, and catch up with everyone tomorrow.
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54 – 10. All's right in UT for another year.
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First, all presidents light, and not just by omission, but they definitely dissemble via omission all the time. So, of course Bush lied, it's the vast spiderweb of meaning and correlation we associate with certain proclamations that we're really talking about.Qb, be nice. Cefy is doing it cefy style. You make a good argument, I'd prefer we not spoil it (myself) with critiques of the foibles of our fellows. But that just might be me trying to build up good will in regards to my own foibles. Hedging my bets for future tolerance, as it were.BTW, shrink. You may not realize it, but there is a free lunch. Any lunch I don't have to pay for is free to me! Semper fi.Michogoose, I cannot conceive of a place where I don't feel it's risky to put money. Bank or mattress or mason jar, all are fraught with terror.
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All presidents lie. Thank you, autocorrect.
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Mark made an excellent argument on Scott's bank and FDIC thread that I'm going with as the definitive answer to me on this interesting subject. Sometimes I actually do wish I was a lawyer. We keep FDIC, it protects both banks and depositors and the insurance is paid by both the banks and depositors and is apparently a smallish price to pay unless one of the TGTF banks goes down, which should be where the real discussion should be. Right?Just an FYI, I think the best thing to do re smallish slights and insults is to just try to ignore them for the most part. I never expected we'd all get along famously all the time, but most often these things pass rather quickly if left between two people but once we all start taking sides…… well, we have lots of examples of how that works. Just my opinion for what it's worth.
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TGTF=TBTF, although you could read it as "too ginormous to fail".
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All, I posted in the link dump a link I lifted today from johnbanned on PL. It's a site with lots of handy dandy charts and data on government (including fed, state and local) spending, deficits, debt, etc. Would I be correct in assuming that items in the link dump will begin to roll off as it reaches max number? If so, will that be oldest first? (And if so, there are some I need to bookmark. 🙂 Okay, no smileys here. Probably a good thing.
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