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  1. My wife and I have an open marriage, just don’t tell her I wrote this.

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  2. Yeah, I just don’t buy that every conflicting impulse we have means that the most indulgent version of that impulse is correct and natural and anything that resembles structure or faithfulness or whatever is unnatural and imposed by society.

    The idea that monogamous pair bonding is unnatural in us because it’s not what bonobos do and they are close genetic relatives is just nuts, if you ask me. Not that there isn’t something to sperm competition and testicle size and all that stuff, but we clearly have a bias towards monogamy. We get married or co-habitate for long periods of time if not for life, most affairs are with one person with which one feels a great deal of sexual excitement and/or romantic love.

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  3. anything that resembles structure or faithfulness or whatever is unnatural and imposed by society

    I haven’t had a chance to listen to the talk yet, but if that gentleman was a big enough doofus to say that. . .

    Anyone who’s ever been married knows that it’s imposed by women–and “Carl’s” statement backs me up! 🙂

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  4. Yeah, I just don’t buy that every conflicting impulse we have means that the most indulgent version of that impulse is correct and natural and anything that resembles structure or faithfulness or whatever is unnatural and imposed by society.

    Neither did Plato, Aristotle, Moses, Jesus or anyone else worthy of consideration.

    The idea that monogamous pair bonding is unnatural in us because it’s not what bonobos do and they are close genetic relatives is just nuts, if you ask me.

    The bankruptcy of the homonormalization (new word) movement is evident in the fact that this is one of their main arguments. Animals do it, so it must be natural, so it must be good. Talk about stupid arguments.

    Monogamy is natural and designed into us. But so is eating celery instead of twinkies. As in every other area of life, we are tempted to cheat. We have base appetites which, if we let them rule us, exchange temporary pleasure for what is really good. If people still received an education in our society, none of this would be a mystery.

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  5. OT: I have identified a new American injustice. I was just at the fitness club next to my hotel, one of those big suburban places. Naturally, it was full of a bunch of 20-somethings who look like they play in the NFL or are SI swimsuit models except are much more fit. These people didn’t exist 30 years ago, at least not in this kind of shape and in these numbers.

    On the other side, Americans in general fatter and in worse shape than ever.

    Clearly, there is an unacceptable level of fitness inequality in this country, and the vast majority of fitness gains in the past 30 years have gone to the fittest 1%. They are hogging all the fitness.

    It is time for Congress to act, and, if they won’t, Obama should get his pen out and sign some orders.

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    • I was listening to Adam Carolla’s podcast and just a few days after you said that, he said the almost exact same thing to: “you know how people keep complaining about the gap between rich and poor? Now it’s going to be just these really buff, attractive men and women who workout all the time and take the supplements and are in better shape than anybody ever has been in history, and all the other fat slobs”. Then talk about rising up in rebellion. Great minds think alike!

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  6. I have not watched all that much hockey in my life, but that was the most amazing game I have ever seen, hands down.

    Olympic hockey is the bomb. Really enjoying the figure skating this year, too. Please, no one demand my man card for that; the hockey is great.

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  7. @qb:Fittest 1%! The fit keep getting fitter and the fat keep getting fatter. Clearly, something must be done.

    @Michigoose: women cheat in similar numbers to men. Most guys naturally demand monogamy from their wives. Pair- bonded extended monogamy is built into us.

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